Fence to be built across Mexico border into U.S.

[igniteice]

Original article can be read at CNN.com:

CNN.com - Mexico: Plan for border fence 'deplorable' - Oct 6, 2006 (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/10/06/border.fence.ap/index.html)

Highlights of the article:

TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) -- Mexico lobbied for six years for a comprehensive immigration reform that would allow millions to cross into the United States legally. Instead, they're getting a fence.

Mexicans, from leading politicians to migrants preparing to cross illegally, consider the U.S. plan to fence off much of the border shameful, offensive and ill-conceived.

President Bush on Wednesday signed a bill that would allot $1.2 billion for hundreds of miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexican border and for more vehicle barriers, lighting and infrared cameras.

Hell yes.

"When migrants are determined to cross, they find a way to jump the fences," Alonzo said. "Walls don't stop anything."

Bullets do.

Between 2001 and 2006, almost 2,000 migrants died while trying to sneak into the United States, according to El Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

"We are supposed to be neighbors and friends, and instead of building bridges and doors, we're building obstacles," Kendzierski said.


Fuck that - they dare call us neighbors and friends after basically trying to invade our country. What the fuck? Let's get an analogy going here.

In one classroom we have Mexicans.

In another classroom we have Americans.

The Mexicans in their classroom think their teacher sucks. They do the work, and they do all their homework for next to nothing - they don't get any extra recess or anything.

The Americans think their teacher is just alright. They do the work, but they expect 20 more minutes of recess for it.

So the Mexicans say, "Why are we in this classroom? Let's go over to that classroom and do our homework there."

And the American teacher says, "No no no, wait - I can only teach 30 people, and I already have 30 American students here."

The Mexicans say, "Yeah, but your American students all want extra recess - we'll do all the homework you assign for free!"

The American teacher says, "But, why? You HAVE a classroom over there!"

The Mexicans say, "Well, look at our classroom compared to yours! Your classroom is much nicer."

American teacher says, "Nope, you guys gotta go back over."

So all the Mexicans start hiding under desks trying to illegally learn.

Bastards.

You know what we need?

http://www.backdrops.net/images/05%20Brick%20Wall%206%20x%2010'.JPG

[the boy wonder uk]

Ig a bit narrow minded mate.

[igniteice]

What part of "illegal" immigrants makes it OKAY?

[the boy wonder uk]

Most of the free world would love for the USA to be walled in mate but you see it as the other way round.

I spose next it will be
" If they are going to invadeus lets get them first and bomb the fuck outa Mexico. That will show them Mehican bastards whose boss"

Great fucking attitude showing Mans humanity to Man.

[URBAN_COWBOY]

What part of "illegal" immigrants makes it OKAY?I agree. I live in one of the states that it is the worst. TX. I don't want to hear all this bullshit about my ancestors this and that. That was over 200 years ago. Different times, different laws. I don't care if people want to come here legally. Go through the process of becoming a citizen and what not. Good for you. Also, learn the fucking language. Do not come here and expect me to learn to speak Spanish to communicate with you. If you don't want to learn English, fine, but don't get pissed off at me because I don't hablo espanol. I don't want to learn that. I don't need to learn it. If I went to Mexico, I would.

And quit coming over here and committing crimes. We have enough crime already, do it in your own country. Every day, here in Austin, I pick up the paper and find another crime committed by illegal immigrants. It is always one of 2 things 1)Intoxication manslaughter. (for those that don't know, this is killing someone while you are driving drunk) or 2) they stabbed someone over their machismo. Fuck you. You are not entitled to a better life. Make your own country better or start a war with us (but be careful, we're pretty good at that shit, we've had enough practice and our idiot President seems to get his rocks off by getting us into shit) and come take this country for your own. But do not come over here and try to turn this into "New Mexico".

And I don't want to hear from anyone else that TX was originally part of Mexico and all that bullshit. Fuck you, we kicked their asses in a war. If they want it back, come take it.

Also, don't tell me they do jobs I don't want to do. Good for them, but do it legally. Come here and pay taxes. I'm all for legal immigration. But don't tell me that they come here and do jobs I don't want to do, but they I gotta pay for Esmerelda Juanita Ramirez-Juarez to go to school here when mommy and daddy don't pay shit for it. Plus, I gotta shell out extra bucks so that they can take ESL (English as a Second Language) classes. Eat my ass. No taxes paid, no education. No vehicle registration fees paid, but get to use my roads to get back to their God forsaken country. They drive Fuck slow anyway because they are scared of getting pulled over and deported. Fuck that. I'm tired of this shit. Light 'em up George.

Put the wall up. Put armed guards every 100 yards on that wall. Plant mines all over the place. You get past the guards, I'll consider letting you stay. Otherwise, viva La Raza from your own damn country.

The reason the Mexican government is bitching is because they don't want these sorry ass people either. One less mouth for them to feed. One last coke dealer to kill someone in Juarez. One last 13 year old prostitute with 5 kids and one on the way. "Just go to America and sponge off them". Fuck that. Light 'em up.

I vote we just bomb the shit out of them, and take that damn country too. We'll make it like Puerto Rico. You're part of this country, but not really. Then we can send all the illegals back there and be done with this shit.

Rant over!!!

[URBAN_COWBOY]

Most of the free world would love for the USA to be walled in mate but you see it as the other way round.

I spose next it will be
" If they are going to invadeus lets get them first and bomb the fuck outa Mexico. That will show them Mehican bastards whose boss"

Great fucking attitude showing Mans humanity to Man.Hey, we'd love to be walled in.

As far as your next line goes, your damn right. How am I or anyone else being inhumane? You give me one good reason that entitles them to a better life outside their own country? Dammit, make a better life for yourself in your own country. They have just as much ability over there that we do here to make that life. Don't blame it on their government. Make something happen on your own. Don't come over here and sponge off what my ancestors built. If you want to be an American, do it legally. Pay your damn taxes so I don't have to support you.

[zooworker]

Most of the free world would love for the USA to be walled in mate but you see it as the other way round.

I spose next it will be
" If they are going to invadeus lets get them first and bomb the fuck outa Mexico. That will show them Mehican bastards whose boss"

Great fucking attitude showing Mans humanity to Man.
You have your fence, it's called water. How would you like millions of Mexicans to sneak into your counrty and tax the system to the point that they are getting better treatment than your own nationals. I went to an outdoor market the other day (1st time there in a year) and it is now 80% mexicans there. Most of which couldn't speak or understand english. French use to be the second language here now it's spanish. And I am not talking about Texas. Build the damn fence and let them enter like everyone else. Apply for it. You have no idea what is going on here with this problem.
So fuck of boy wonder and worry about your own problems.

[igniteice]

Yeah I love how someone WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES says "WE" (those who do live here) should be more accepting.

Haha... what the fuck...

That's like me telling South Korea to submit to North Korea. I have NO BUSINESS in their affairs.

[URBAN_COWBOY]

Yeah I love how someone WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES says "WE" (those who do live here) should be more accepting.

Haha... what the fuck...

That's like me telling South Korea to submit to North Korea. I have NO BUSINESS in their affairs.or telling Iraq how to run their country. Oh wait, we are doing that.

[zooworker]

Yeah I love how someone WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES says "WE" (those who do live here) should be more accepting.
I agree, I am tired of the shit other countries spew about our border problems. BUILD THE FUCKING WALL and let the Mexican government support their own.

[rk237]

Huh I thought there already was a wall. In fact I've seen it many times.

Besides, we can build a wall if we want to. If it makes us look like assholes, well we've certainly done worse. ;)

[igniteice]

I propose we place land mines underneath the wall (though certainly a few feet away so as to not damage the wall!) for all those bastards who CRAWL under.

You remember those tunnels that they found?

[turtletime]

Ig, Zoo and Cowboy -
KUDOS!!!!!!!! PERFECT! Thanks for saving me from having to say all that you said!!

[sar94pga]

yeah, sorry, boy wonder. I live no where near the border, but i agree with everything cowboy said. its one thing to pay unemployment to people who legitamatly cant find jobs. ie, past RDO's from blockbuster that have far too much job experiance to be a cashier at walmart. but to have people who arent even citizens of this country, TAKE our jobs, commit crimes against people who ARE citizens, and live here for free, thats just wrong.

Its bad enough that millions of people collect welfare monthly and come into my store and spend a hundred bucks on prp instead of shampoo.

I pay to live here. its called property tax. I pay for my child's education, its called school tax. god forbid if i get in an auto accident or even worse get cancer, i pay for disability and health insurance. I am entitled to all the freedom and democracy this country offers, because i pay for it.

I get that these people come here for a better life. but there are proper channels for that. sneaking across the border is not the right way to do it. and i understand that what these people make under the table is much more than they would make in mexico, but by employing illegals, those companies that do so, are taking away jobs and paychecks from the people that pay to live here.

And, to agree with cowboy further more. I had a customer complaint last week or the week before from an indian couple that came into my store. the csr on duty couldnt understand a word they were saying. it came down to my csr handing them a pen and paper to write out what they were looking for. the complained racisim to my DM, who had just a hard of time trying to understand what they were saying. moral of that story, dont come here unless you are willing to learn the language. Sorry, but a 20 year old kid in the middle of no where USA, is not going to know indian. or french or german or russian.

[zooworker]

I propose we place land mines underneath the wall (though certainly a few feet away so as to not damage the wall!) for all those bastards who CRAWL under.

You remember those tunnels that they found?
100 yards of land mines on both sides, vibration detectors in the ground, along with the Minuteman boarder patrol. DO not confuse us with the Berlin wall, that was to keep people in. We just want to make our boarder safe from the daily thousands that come in illegally.

Ig, Zoo and Cowboy -
KUDOS!!!!!!!! PERFECT! Thanks for saving me from having to say all that you said!!
Thank you, we need more people to stand up for our security.

[URBAN_COWBOY]

I propose we place land mines underneath the wall (though certainly a few feet away so as to not damage the wall!) for all those bastards who CRAWL under.

You remember those tunnels that they found?I know my rant was long and you might have missed it, but I actually put that in there. Great minds think alike.

[zooworker]

There once was a flag that said "Don't tread on me" maybe it's time to bring it back.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/steam040/donttreadyellow.gif
First flown aboard a Colonial Troop ship on January 4th, 1776

This was the flag of the American Colonies at the time of the American Revolution against England.

It features a rattlesnake above the warning, "DON'T TREAD ON ME". The rattlesnake had become a traditional symbol of the American Colonies. The most obvious reason for this is that the rattlesnake was only found in the American Colonies (and in abundance, to the dismay of settlers) and nowhere else in the world. The origin of the slogan (Don't Tread On Me) pertains to the snake's deadly strike and the idea that it is best to leave them alone.

[the boy wonder uk]

Hold on.

The whole narrow minded comment was based on Igs idea that anyone from mexico trying to get into the States should be shot.

If that is what you all think then i feel sorry for you.

I realise that the whole gun thing in the U.S makes a lot of Americans feel that they have the power of life and death over anyone they want but that is not a good attitude to have.

Urban you were right about the U.S starting wars but when people shoot back Joe Public American is outraged.

As a genuine question to everyone Ive pissed off with my 2 line comment on killing people----Would you stop all the aid packages that the American government sends out each year on behalf of its people?

If Americans wanted to start an isolationist policy with the rest of the world I dont think anyone else would mind.

[the boy wonder uk]

There once was a flag that said "Don't tread on me" maybe it's time to bring it back.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j236/steam040/donttreadyellow.gif
First flown aboard a Colonial Troop ship on January 4th, 1776

This was the flag of the American Colonies at the time of the American Revolution against England.

It features a rattlesnake above the warning, "DON'T TREAD ON ME". The rattlesnake had become a traditional symbol of the American Colonies. The most obvious reason for this is that the rattlesnake was only found in the American Colonies (and in abundance, to the dismay of settlers) and nowhere else in the world. The origin of the slogan (Don't Tread On Me) pertains to the snake's deadly strike and the idea that it is best to leave them alone.

Again most of the world would love to leave the U.S alone but Bush et al. just keep interfeering.

And why is it that you guys can go to the history books to defend your views but you dont wanna here "well 200 years ago your daddy was German and an immigrant?"

[the boy wonder uk]

Yeah I love how someone WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES says "WE" (those who do live here) should be more accepting.

Haha... what the fuck...

That's like me telling South Korea to submit to North Korea. I have NO BUSINESS in their affairs.

And just so you know the situation is much worse here in the UK than you guys have.

The European Union had decided that any person living within its borders can travel to any other country within the Union. Once there they can claim Benefits, free health care , housing scooling etc.

So every day Poles, serbians and Bosnians amongst others come into the country LEGALLY and do everything you all complained about.

The best bit?

As a people we did not get a say in the matter.

But even I would not shoot them just for wanting a better life.

[johnlow71]

all this talk about mexicans and im shocked my name was even cracked on :)

[rk237]

Well I agree with Boy Wonder a great deal. No matter the solution to any problem, I think its greatest threat is closedmindedness.

I don't believe the world would be thrilled if the USA isolated itself however, if purely for economic reasons.

Illegal immigration is a problem, and it is greatly facilitated by the huge border, much of which runs through a desert. The solution is not to shoot people or to blow them up un tunnels. Anyone who honestly thinks that is the American way has a varying meaning on what this country means to him than to me.

I haven't been sold on the idea of a wall, but it obviously couldn't hurt. Until yesterday, I assumed the whole border already was walled (or at least from San Diego to El Paso), but after a brief research I see that it's only the border near San Diego. This explains why we do have people coming in across the desert in droves, and a wall might make it just a bit harder.

I don't really know much about the problem (I doubt many here do). However, I do disagree with shooting and land mines, and I can see where some of the rest of the world picks up its opinion of us. :rolleyes:

I think the only solution that would really work is to suck it up (with the help of the Mexican govt) and pour tons of money into "fixing" Mexico (instead of say, Iraq) so Mexico is a more attractive place for its citizens to be and stay in the first place. Sadly, this is the sort of maneuver that will only take place after a lot of other things have been tried, years have passed, and the problem gotten a lot worse and harder to fix.

[turtletime]

So every day Poles, serbians and Bosnians amongst others come into the country LEGALLY and do everything you all complained about.

That right there is the difference. We are talking about the illegal immigrants coming over, not the legal ones. In fact, without going back and quoting it, I know Cowboy mentioned that several times. The legal ones aren't the problem. It's the ones who are sneaking in here illegally...taking advantage of our benefits and costing us money. If they want to come to the US, great...but do it the right way!!!

[SL_600]

I'm not saying he shoulda killed her.... but I understand. :D :rolleyes: ;)

[johnlow71]

http://photos.signonsandiego.com/gallery1.5/albums/boycott/DKprotest256235x004.jpg


arghhhhhhhhhhh there coming into my store, run for your lives:eek:

[turtletime]

found this in my email this morning...thought it was perfect for this thread!!

GOOD MORNING,
WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Press "1" for English.

Press "2" to disconnect until you learn to speak English

:D

[Antithesys]

In case it hasn't been made clear to outsiders, illegal immigration is, for the most part, one of the few topics on which both left and right agree. That's a very rare thing in America these days. That's why there's actually going to be a fence and not another decade of bickering. Most of the disagreement is over what to do with the illegals who are already here; in fact we all agree in principle on that too, and opposition to deportation generally is based purely on logistics. And while you see some of us advocating lethal force in protecting the border, that's just not going to happen. There's lots of things we'd like to do that we know we can't. Shooting civilians is not this goverment's style, at least not on this continent.

[the boy wonder uk]

Shooting civilians is not this goverment's style, at least not on this continent.

Not yet mate but as there is oil in Texas I wouldnt discount Bush from advocating it soon.

[the boy wonder uk]

found this in my email this morning...thought it was perfect for this thread!!

GOOD MORNING,
WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Press "1" for English.

Press "2" to disconnect until you learn to speak English

:D

Turtle no offence, but most Americans dont speak correct English.

[rk237]

Turtle no offence, but most Americans dont speak correct English.

Hey Boy Wonder, come on you had great arguments until the cheap shot buddy. Poor grammar, which is what I'm guessing you're referring to, is not by any means exclusive to the United States. If it we're, you would have put an apostrophe in "don't" for example.

BTW, the USA has generally way better weather than the United Kingdom, so there!! See? Stupid cheap shots don't get anyone anywhere. ;)
(but we DO have better weather!) :D

[igniteice]

Practical ideas:

http://bbsnews.net/bbsn_photos/topics/Timeless_Events/land_mine.jpg

http://www.7thfighter.com/quad.jpg

Remember - all it takes is one:

http://fugato.net/wp-content/bullet.gif

Other suggested defenses:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/triplemini2.jpg

Where do you think we're going to put these - along the legal highways where legal immigrants can make their way in? No way - you put them out in the middle of nowhere to blast those idiots who are trying to sneak their way in. Incase you didn't know Boywonder, we allow a certain number of immigrants to come into the US through that border every year. Everyone else just tries to sneak in. If we WANTED more we would ALLOW more.

[Blockbusted]

BW-UK, honestly, shut the fuck up. You know what you hear, you don't know what it's like in the US. United Statesian's(I made up a word...) do. Everywhere I go, I see Mexican's. At Wal-Mart, I get to look at words in English. However, under them, I have to see the words in Spanish. Let's flip this around, shall we? If you went to Mexico(Crawl under a fence, I hear it's cheaper. Be prepared to spend years in a Mexican prison though...you're illegal in their country.), you would see the words in the vernancular. Under that would be nothing in English.

I don't know how to end this post.

Banana.

Andrew-

Ah, something else.

The person in the picture holding up the sign "America was built by immigrants!" is correct. They had to pay though. They came into Ellis Island(Although, alot came before.) and were made to sign in. The young men were 'herded' through the line and basically made to volunteer to go die during the Civil War. They didn't know what they were signing so of course, they signed papers saying that they wanted to be in the Armed Service. Those that did go to fight earned their citzenship to me. Even if it was posthumously(Sp?)

[rk237]

BW-UK, honestly, shut the hell up.

Dude you disagree with him, fine, but don't tell him to shut the hell up.

[Blockbusted]

Is that better?

Andrew-

[zooworker]

BTW, the USA has generally way better weather than the United Kingdom, so there!! See? Stupid cheap shots don't get anyone anywhere.
(but we DO have better weather!) :D
Yeh, we do! tornados, hurricanes, Freezzing ice storms, 110 degree summers, 98% humidity. Droughts, floods. You name it we have the best!:D :D :D

[URBAN_COWBOY]

Hold on.

The whole narrow minded comment was based on Igs idea that anyone from mexico trying to get into the States should be shot.

If that is what you all think then i feel sorry for you.

I realise that the whole gun thing in the U.S makes a lot of Americans feel that they have the power of life and death over anyone they want but that is not a good attitude to have.

Urban you were right about the U.S starting wars but when people shoot back Joe Public American is outraged.

As a genuine question to everyone Ive pissed off with my 2 line comment on killing people----Would you stop all the aid packages that the American government sends out each year on behalf of its people?

If Americans wanted to start an isolationist policy with the rest of the world I dont think anyone else would mind.To answer your question that I have highlighted in bold, HELL YES!!! Why are we supposed to be the caretakers of this world?! Yeah, I give two shits if Umfufu in Africa has AIDS. Our responsibilities as Americans should lie with our countrymen first. If our goverment wants to help people so much, help our own. Let's get our unemployment rate down, get a universal health care system and improve our education system. This is why you will never see me donate money to Indugu who could eat for as little as $.37 a day. What you will see me do though is donate to my local childrens' hospital for cancer research. What you will see me do is drop my spare change in that little box outside the McDonald's drive through window for the Ronald McDonald house. Why, because I love my country and want to see it prosper. That is the way of most Americans. We don't ask for a handout, we get up and get our own.

And before you ask, yes, I feel this way towards all countries. I don't give a shit if Iraq has a democratic government. If they want it, they can fight for it. Why the hell should Joe Smith from the USMC go over there and risk his life for some turban wearing psycho who will probably shoot him in the back after he kills all the rebels?

As far as one of your other posts go, you said it yourself and beat your own arguement. In Europe, it is legal. We are discussing illegal immigration here.

And as little as I like him, don't you dare speak ill of my president from your comfy position across the pond. And don't question what version of English we speak. If it wasn't for this country, you wouldn't even be speaking your version of English. You'd be speaking German. Until you win a war on your own, don't criticize my country.

Side note to Monkey, Hailey and Aphrodite: If I have offended you with my last paragraph, I apologize. It was not directed to you. You have never attacked me or my country as the Boy Wonder Where My Penis Went has. Love you all.

[SavageUK]

And as little as I like him, don't you dare speak ill of my president from your comfy position across the pond. And don't question what version of English we speak. If it wasn't for this country, you wouldn't even be speaking your version of English. You'd be speaking German. Until you win a war on your own, don't criticize my country.

Side note to Monkey, Hailey and Aphrodite: If I have offended you with my last paragraph, I apologize. It was not directed to you. You have never attacked me or my country as the Boy Wonder Where My Penis Went has. Love you all.
Uhhh, how can it not be directed at those people stated? What you've said isn't a dig at Boy Wonder, you've just verbally berated (for lack of a better word) England, and attempted to diminish a British person's opinion with "don't criticize my country". Let Boy Wonder say his piece and you can say yours, attempting to silence Boy Wonder makes it seem like you can't accept what he says, maybe because it holds some unfortunate truths...

[yousickf'ingbastard]

i could give a fuckless about the mexicans on the border. where's the canadian wall? i hate them more :D

you can't stop every immigrant from crossing the border. just stop wasting time and money and have them go through the training of being an american from kindergarten up to college. then they can pose for playboy, the american dream. :p

[c:nt]

You have your fence, it's called water.

So true! We are a fucking island with **ONE** fucking tunnel that connects southern england with france. And you know what? 1000's of imigrants get in through this tunnel.

Seriously be glad our government doesent run your borders. If 1000's can get in from one undersea tunnel, fuck knows how many we would let walk accross!

[zooworker]

So true! We are a fucking island with **ONE** fucking tunnel that connects southern england with france. And you know what? 1000's of imigrants get in through this tunnel.

Seriously be glad our government doesent run your borders. If 1000's can get in from one undersea tunnel, fuck knows how many we would let walk accross!
Wall up the tunnel.:D

[c:nt]

Well it would stop the French coming in as well, which is always a bonus!!

Having said that, the tunnel is a useful ride to uncut European porn and alcohol.


50/50!!!

[zooworker]

Well it would stop the French coming in as well, which is always a bonus!!

Having said that, the tunnel is a useful ride to uncut European porn and alcohol.


50/50!!!
I wouldn't worry about the French, just yell loud and they will all drop to the ground and surrender.:rolleyes:

[yousickf'ingbastard]

the french are such pussies. and don't get me started on the british :eek:

[turtletime]

found this in my email this morning...thought it was perfect for this thread!!

GOOD MORNING,
WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Press "1" for English.

Press "2" to disconnect until you learn to speak English

:D


Turtle no offence, but most Americans dont speak correct English.

Funny, I don't see where it says Press "1" for correct (or proper) English. :rolleyes:

Not yet mate but as there is oil in Texas I wouldnt discount Bush from advocating it soon. Soo, soo true. Cuz, we all know the Shrub will do whatever is necessary to protect his family's assets.

[igniteice]

Having said that, the tunnel is a useful ride to uncut European porn and alcohol.

I've never heard of censored porn! Unless you mean the softcore stuff Blockbuster loves to carry ;-D

So like - what, you have underground shops set up in this tunnel with signs out: "UNCUT PORN FOR SALE" ;-P

[URBAN_COWBOY]

Uhhh, how can it not be directed at those people stated? What you've said isn't a dig at Boy Wonder, you've just verbally berated (for lack of a better word) England, and attempted to diminish a British person's opinion with "don't criticize my country". Let Boy Wonder say his piece and you can say yours, attempting to silence Boy Wonder makes it seem like you can't accept what he says, maybe because it holds some unfortunate truths...I don't accept what he says. How can you hold an opinion on something that has no bearing on your life whatsoever? I have zero opinion on what happens in England, except for my opinion of those 3 people, whom I think are awesome. Other than that, don't care what happens there and will form no opinion on it. It doesn't affect me. Boy Blunder should stop speaking out of his ass. He has no idea the effect it has on the people of the United States. His attempt to compare it to legal immigration in Europe was pitiful at best. His opinion is based on illogical emotion and basically saying Ig and I are humaneless. If he actually understood immigration reform in the United States and the problems illegal aliens are causing, then his opinion might hold water. However, he has no facts to back up his opinion and is just spout shit out of his mouth at this point.

[OzMan]

BW-UK, honestly, shut the fuck up. You know what you hear, you don't know what it's like in the US. United Statesian's(I made up a word...) do. Everywhere I go, I see Mexican's.

Hey, look. There's plenty of EXTRA FUCKING 's that BW missed:D (Sorry, but one of my pet peeves)

Remember, Americans have a love/hate relationship with illegal mexicans. They LOVE their salads, but HATE to pick lettuce.

Also, Americans have a horrible understanding of their own language, as a whole. I know of a foreign-born, native French speaking, high-school dropout (Mario LeMieux) who speaks better english than a LOT of college graduates (the ENTIRE NFL!!!!)

Finally, as Jay Leno said (and this was first-runner-up for my new sig file), "The Senate has passed a resolution to build a 700-mile fence along our 2000-mile Mexican border. This is what happens when you let President Bush do the math"

[c:nt]

Well if your really going to build this fence, lets hope its a better fence than the one in the picture from that news link.
Wonder why that Mexican has a smirk on his face?

BECAUSE HE IS A FAT FUCKER WHO CAN STILL FIT THROUGH THE BARS OF THE FENCE!!! :D

[SavageUK]

I've never heard of censored porn! Unless you mean the softcore stuff Blockbuster loves to carry ;-D

So like - what, you have underground shops set up in this tunnel with signs out: "UNCUT PORN FOR SALE" ;-P
Heheh, we do have censored porn here, and not referring to the Blockbuster stuff. Porn that is actually porn, with a few bits removed... Totally shit that they even tamper with it at all, but we have the BBFC, so...

[OzMan]

Well if your really going to build this fence, lets hope its a better fence than the one in the picture from that news link.
Wonder why that Mexican has a smirk on his face?

BECAUSE HE IS A FAT FUCKER WHO CAN STILL FIT THROUGH THE BARS OF THE FENCE!!! :D

More than that..... who do you think is going to build the fence??

Ever been to an American construction site, especially in the southwest??

IF you want to keep the Mexicans out, perhaps you'll have to find someone else to build the fence......

[Blockbusted]

Builders of the fence? My money is on Army Engineers.

Andrew-

[OzMan]

Builder's of the fence? My money is on Army Engineers.

Andrew-



Well, first of all, seeing as you feel that the builder is possessive of "of the fence", I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say. Especially since, no matter how you look at it, you seem to feel that there is ONE person building the damned fence:rolleyes:

Second of all, have you seen the army?? The vast majority of the people protecting your freedoms are the same "unwhites" you don't want in the country.

Any way you look at it, odds are the Mexicans are going to be building the fence. If you fail to see why that defeats the purpose, then that damned possessiveness of yours is the least of your worries;)

[Blockbusted]

"Unwhites"? What the...? It wouldn't matter if the illegal Mexicans were white, they're illegal. There's nothing wrong with anyone of a different color. Alot of whites do the same thing that mexicans do. They sit around, making babies, living off the system, the workers paying for them to sit around and fuck.

As much as I don't like that, there's nothing I can do. They are citzens. They technically have the same rights as I do.

Illegals don't. They don't have the same rights as I do. They cheated their way into the country and decided they don't want to speak the language, they don't want to pay taxes. With that, they found an unfair loop in the system.

Something's wrong there.

Andrew-

[the boy wonder uk]

Until you win a war on your own, don't criticize my country.

Since 1800

Napoleonic Wars

Crimean War

Persian War

Burmese Wars

To name just some of the major Wars.

Urban I dont know why someones opinion has elected such a response from yourself . I have not slagged anyone of you for your opinions just made commentry from my pioint of view. If you dont like the fact that I dont like the talk of killing hundreds of people Im sorry about that, but I dont like the idea.

As for the whole legal/illegal immigrant thing the point was that Eastern Europeans over here went from illegal to legal overnight and as a populace we had no say in the matter. Whould your attitude suddenly change if your government said on the breakfast news that the Mexicans that you hate so much were to be let in now? No you would still fucking hate them for some other reason.

I love the crack of not speaking English if it wasnt for you Americans. if the Japaneese hadny bombed Pearl Harbour the U.S would have carried on trying to hide away from world affairs. You seem to see your Country as the great savior of Europe in the 40s where the reality is that the U.S needed the europeans at least as much as they needed the U.S. America at the time was not on a full war footing and needed time to produce the munitions needed to take part in such a war. if the Japanese had continued unchecked in Asia then America would have been truly isolated. Dont forget while the U.S were declaring war the British were fighting to give the munitions producers more time.

Oh and lastley when was the last war that America won on its own with no allies?

Urban I'm sure this will result in some holy tirade from you but I just dont know why.

[URBAN_COWBOY]

Since 1800

Napoleonic Wars

Crimean War

Persian War

Burmese Wars

To name just some of the major Wars.

Urban I dont know why someones opinion has elected such a response from yourself . I have not slagged anyone of you for your opinions just made commentry from my pioint of view. If you dont like the fact that I dont like the talk of killing hundreds of people Im sorry about that, but I dont like the idea.

As for the whole legal/illegal immigrant thing the point was that Eastern Europeans over here went from illegal to legal overnight and as a populace we had no say in the matter. Whould your attitude suddenly change if your government said on the breakfast news that the Mexicans that you hate so much were to be let in now? No you would still fucking hate them for some other reason.

I love the crack of not speaking English if it wasnt for you Americans. if the Japaneese hadny bombed Pearl Harbour the U.S would have carried on trying to hide away from world affairs. You seem to see your Country as the great savior of Europe in the 40s where the reality is that the U.S needed the europeans at least as much as they needed the U.S. America at the time was not on a full war footing and needed time to produce the munitions needed to take part in such a war. if the Japanese had continued unchecked in Asia then America would have been truly isolated. Dont forget while the U.S were declaring war the British were fighting to give the munitions producers more time.

Oh and lastley when was the last war that America won on its own with no allies?

Urban I'm sure this will result in some holy tirade from you but I just dont know why.I'll only address this statement in bold. They are actually attempting to allow basically anyone who has been here for at least 5 years automatically legal. This pisses me off. They still have not gone through the proper channels. So that actually is an option. Sucks to be you that that happened. I, for one, don't want it to happen here. I will not be one who just stands by and allows it to happen. I will fight to keep illegal immigrants out. Not just Mexicans. Any of them. As far as your last sentence in this statement goes, do not pretend to know me. Basically what you are saying here is I am a racist. You are implying that my disgust over the fact that they are illegal is just a cover for racism. For that you can kiss my ass. My son is 1/2 mexican. I have no problem with any other race whatsover. I have a problem with people cheating the system. As someone else pointed out, believe it was Blockbusted, I'm pissed off at the whites, blacks, asians and everybody else here that takes advantage of the welfare system here and do not their fair share. The only difference is, they are legal. Don't have an option to kick them out of the country, as much as I would like to. Now, don't go puffing your chest out on this either. I am aware that some people need help. I am referring to the people that are either illegal and don't pay taxes, therefore not contributing to the welfare system, or those that continue to stay on the welfare system long after they have used up more than they ever contributed.

As far as why I came after you, it's because you don't live in this country. Your opinion is not an informed one. You are making judgements on people on this board who want what is best for their country without having all the facts. Basically all you are doing is spewing shit from your pie hole on a situation that you know nothing about.

[yousickf'ingbastard]

i have to agree with boy wonder on this one. america does indeed suck. but while i'm in this sucky country i have to stick up for it and go against it at the same time.

america has a lot of freedoms that a lot of people take for granted. some freedoms we have here are better than other countries. i for one also think america is also full of shit because we took over a country and once we got control of it, we started banning people from coming in. it's like a club and only the cool people are allowed. i hate how the government has been ran. i lost faith in my own country because of that. some people still hold on to it like it's actually going to change but it's been going on for years "Buck Fush" years.

the mexicans are gonna come here no matter if we like it or not. so get over it.

[sar94pga]

i have to agree with boy wonder on this one. america does indeed suck. but while i'm in this sucky country i have to stick up for it and go against it at the same time.

america has a lot of freedoms that a lot of people take for granted. some freedoms we have here are better than other countries. i for one also think america is also full of shit because we took over a country and once we got control of it, we started banning people from coming in. it's like a club and only the cool people are allowed. i hate how the government has been ran. i lost faith in my own country because of that. some people still hold on to it like it's actually going to change but it's been going on for years "Buck Fush" years.

the mexicans are gonna come here no matter if we like it or not. so get over it.

i am actually impressed bastard. truly.

but, to agree with cowboy, i would never, in a million years, comment on the UK if they decided to put up a wall or a fence or a line of whores from prince charles personal collection to keep the french out. wanna know why? it doesn't concern me in the least. I have never been to Europe, therefore, who am i to comment on it?

What i do care about, is the state of affairs this country will be in when my daughter is old enough to get a scholarship to college or join the workforce, and what the threat of illegal immigrants will do to her chances. We are not talking minorities, we are not being racist. We are being practical in a manner of which, we are protecting the country for when we hand it over to our children.

and another thing, someone made an ellis island comment, that is absolutly correct, my ancestors came over, went through ellis island, and became americans the correct way. they learned the language (only spoke italian) and familiarized themselves with our customs and became productive members of society. Sure, i am was born in America, but i am 100% italian. and proud of it.

i guess it all comes down to this: don't take whats not yours.

[yousickf'ingbastard]

i always wanted to go to the UK. i heard they can make one hell of a french fry. :D

[URBAN_COWBOY]

i have to agree with boy wonder on this one. america does indeed suck. but while i'm in this sucky country i have to stick up for it and go against it at the same time.

america has a lot of freedoms that a lot of people take for granted. some freedoms we have here are better than other countries. i for one also think america is also full of shit because we took over a country and once we got control of it, we started banning people from coming in. it's like a club and only the cool people are allowed. i hate how the government has been ran. i lost faith in my own country because of that. some people still hold on to it like it's actually going to change but it's been going on for years "Buck Fush" years.

the mexicans are gonna come here no matter if we like it or not. so get over it.hey, I'll be the first to admit this country has problems. The biggest one is the current person residing in the White House. By the way, he is not from TX. His daddy just moved here. I don't claim him. I think us being in foreign countries and trying to shove our beliefs down their throat is wrong. The same way I think illegal immigrants coming over here and asking us to adapt to them is wrong. I will point out one incorrect statement you made though. Nobody is being banned from coming into the US. It is about doing it the right way. The legal way.

[yousickf'ingbastard]

I will point out one incorrect statement you made though. Nobody is being banned from coming into the US. It is about doing it the right way. The legal way.

Me incorrect? Neva! Being banned was a figure of speech. Being shot climbing over a fence is reality.

[OzMan]

"Unwhites"? What the...? It wouldn't matter if the illegal Mexicans were white, they're illegal. There's nothing wrong with anyone of a different color. Alot of whites do the same thing that mexicans do. They sit around, making babies, living off the system, the workers paying for them to sit around and fuck.

As much as I don't like that, there's nothing I can do. They are citzens. They technically have the same rights as I do.

Illegals don't. They don't have the same rights as I do. They cheated their way into the country and decided they don't want to speak the language, they don't want to pay taxes. With that, they found an unfair loop in the system.

Something's wrong there.

Andrew-

Until VERY recently, British citizens overstaying their visas were the LARGEST group of illegal immigrants in the country. Didn't hear you bitch then.

The ONLY reason the Irish have a "special" visa class (meaning they get an unfair amount of green cards) is because of the strong Irish base in this country, led in part by the Kennedy family (Teddy pushed this exception of the Immigration Law thru Congress himself);, but I don't hear you bitch about that.

All you bitch about is the "non-whites" that come here and pick your vegatables. But if anyone DARES point this out to you........

[turtletime]

Until VERY recently, British citizens overstaying their visas were the LARGEST group of illegal immigrants in the country. Didn't hear you bitch then.

The ONLY reason the Irish have a "special" visa class (meaning they get an unfair amount of green cards) is because of the strong Irish base in this country, led in part by the Kennedy family (Teddy pushed this exception of the Immigration Law thru Congress himself);, but I don't hear you bitch about that.

All you bitch about is the "non-whites" that come here and pick your vegatables. But if anyone DARES point this out to you........

Umm, how many of the Mexicans are getting a Visa?? They can't be bothered to even take step one of doing it legally.

[OzMan]

Your opinion is not an informed one.

Basically all you are doing is spewing shit from your pie hole on a situation that you know nothing about.


Sounds like he's about as qualified to vote as the vast majority of people that do in the States.


i guess it all comes down to this: don't take whats not yours.


I have some Native American friends that would agree fully with you. Sadly, look at what they got:rolleyes:

[OzMan]

Umm, how many of the Mexicans are getting a Visa?? They can't be bothered to even take step one of doing it legally.

But, again, you address the illegal Mexicans, but not the illegal English.......

[turtletime]

Until VERY recently, British citizens overstaying their visas were the LARGEST group of illegal immigrants in the country. Didn't hear you bitch then.

The ONLY reason the Irish have a "special" visa class (meaning they get an unfair amount of green cards) is because of the strong Irish base in this country, led in part by the Kennedy family (Teddy pushed this exception of the Immigration Law thru Congress himself);, but I don't hear you bitch about that.

All you bitch about is the "non-whites" that come here and pick your vegatables. But if anyone DARES point this out to you........

Umm, how many of the Mexicans are getting a Visa?? They can't be bothered to even take step one of doing it legally.

But, again, you address the illegal Mexicans, but not the illegal English.......

Step one is getting the Visa to come here in the first place. In response to the highlights in your first post, I was saying nothing more than the Mexicans aren't even doing that. Others are, but the vast majority of the Mexicans don't.

[OzMan]

Step one is getting the Visa to come here in the first place. In response to the highlights in your first post, I was saying nothing more than the Mexicans aren't even doing that. Others are, but the vast majority of the Mexicans don't.

The British are (were) coming over on visitor/tourist visas.... no right to work or stay for more than.... six months, I think.

That is about as much of taking "step one" as a vote in Congress is step one in getting anything done. Actually, unless things have changed, coming over on a tourist visa is one of the worst ways to get switched over to a green card. Normally, residency visas are given out in your home country.

[turtletime]

The British are (were) coming over on visitor/tourist visas.... no right to work or stay for more than.... six months, I think.

That is about as much of taking "step one" as a vote in Congress is step one in getting anything done. Actually, unless things have changed, coming over on a tourist visa is one of the worst ways to get switched over to a green card. Normally, residency visas are given out in your home country.

They came over here with a visa, not by swimming across the rio grande or running across some barren desert. whether it's a little step next to nothing or not, it was a LEGAL way to at least get here. Whether they stayed past the visa expiration date wasn't the debate here. Although, honestly, my opinion of them would be the same. If you are not in this country legally, get out! If you are living off our welfare system or getting our benefits, but are here illegally, get the fuck out. I don't give a rat's ass what color your skin is! Don't try to make this into a racial thing for all of us. I don't think that means jack. Personally, like Cowboy, my kids are both part mexican as well...only a quarter, but still part. I honestly don't give a shit about the color of one's skin. Never have, never will. But, if you are going to come into this country, do it right.

BTW, I think the reason the mexicans are the center of this debate is because, uh, the thread is about the fence that's (probably never) going to be built? :rolleyes:

[the boy wonder uk]

I'll only address this statement in bold. They are actually attempting to allow basically anyone who has been here for at least 5 years automatically legal. This pisses me off. They still have not gone through the proper channels. So that actually is an option. Sucks to be you that that happened. I, for one, don't want it to happen here. I will not be one who just stands by and allows it to happen. I will fight to keep illegal immigrants out. Not just Mexicans. Any of them. As far as your last sentence in this statement goes, do not pretend to know me. Basically what you are saying here is I am a racist. You are implying that my disgust over the fact that they are illegal is just a cover for racism. For that you can kiss my ass. My son is 1/2 mexican. I have no problem with any other race whatsover. I have a problem with people cheating the system. As someone else pointed out, believe it was Blockbusted, I'm pissed off at the whites, blacks, asians and everybody else here that takes advantage of the welfare system here and do not their fair share. The only difference is, they are legal. Don't have an option to kick them out of the country, as much as I would like to. Now, don't go puffing your chest out on this either. I am aware that some people need help. I am referring to the people that are either illegal and don't pay taxes, therefore not contributing to the welfare system, or those that continue to stay on the welfare system long after they have used up more than they ever contributed.

As far as why I came after you, it's because you don't live in this country. Your opinion is not an informed one. You are making judgements on people on this board who want what is best for their country without having all the facts. Basically all you are doing is spewing shit from your pie hole on a situation that you know nothing about.

i under stand that my comment may have been miscontrued but i did not intend to infer that you were a racist I meant that you would still hate the immigrants regardless of thier legality.
As i said if they were made legal overnight you would still hate them.

As for your bold comment does this give me licence to attack any non Uk member who posts in a UK thread? No of course not. When other people post on topics that they are not directly linked with it gives a different point of view. You Urban did not go and tell me I was misinformed just that I talked shit. Well way to go I bet that made you feel good.

And who have I judged on this? I have reacted to what people have said but I havnt judged them you've done that Urban not me.

[the boy wonder uk]

BTW, I think the reason the mexicans are the center of this debate is because, uh, the thread is about the fence that's (probably never) going to be built? :rolleyes:

You mean all this could have nbeen a waste of time?:eek: :D

[URBAN_COWBOY]

i under stand that my comment may have been miscontrued but i did not intend to infer that you were a racist I meant that you would still hate the immigrants regardless of thier legality.
As i said if they were made legal overnight you would still hate them.

As for your bold comment does this give me licence to attack any non Uk member who posts in a UK thread? No of course not. When other people post on topics that they are not directly linked with it gives a different point of view. You Urban did not go and tell me I was misinformed just that I talked shit. Well way to go I bet that made you feel good.

And who have I judged on this? I have reacted to what people have said but I havnt judged them you've done that Urban not me.

You are right, if they were just made legal, I would be pissed. Pissed at them for not doing it right and pissed at my government for allowing it to happen.

As far as whether my statement gives you license to attack someone in a UK thread, sure it does. If they are making uninformed statements about something that affects your way of living, then by all means, tell the Yankee bastards to Shut The Fuck Up. However, you comparing this thread, which affects my livelyhood and that of my child's, to some minor happenstance at Blockbuster UK is completely out of whack. I did tell you that you were misinformed, and you are. You are talking shit. The definition of the slang statement talking shit, is talking about something that you know nothing about and speaking just to hear yourself think.


OZ, I agree with Turtle on this. I don't give a shit who you are, if you're illegal, get out. This thread has focused on illegal Mexicans because it was started in referrance to the wall being built on the border. I couldn't give a monkey's ass what color their skin is.

[OzMan]

BTW, I think the reason the mexicans are the center of this debate is because, uh, the thread is about the fence that's (probably never) going to be built? :rolleyes:


Now, you are saying "this debate", but do you mean this debate here on IHBB, or the debate in the news.

Because, if you mean "this" debate, I respect you and Cowboy both enough to believe that your position is not based on racism, and you have always felt this way (but, then, what do you think about all the land that was taken away from the Native Americans??)

However, if you are talking about the national debate, I ask why NOW?? Why is illegal immigration NOW an issue in America? And can you honestly tell me, considering that EVERY right-wing nutjob on the radio has chimed in on this, and that Congress is NOW suddenly worried about it, that it would still be a national issue if the illegals looked like Mainstream America??

And now I see politicians trying to defend hiring practices from DECADES ago..... shades of Nannygate, the sequel:rolleyes:

[the boy wonder uk]

However, you comparing this thread, which affects my livelyhood and that of my child's, to some minor happenstance at Blockbuster UK is completely out of whack.

Some of those minor happenstances affect my livelyhood.

[without_feathers]

Fuck them all. I like farming my own wheat and vegetables anyway.

[zooworker]

Fuck them all. I like farming my own wheat and vegetables anyway.
I was nice on your first post. And you didn't take my advice did you?
Don't drag up old threads, please:mad:

[BBVcasualposter]

Actually I'd say let him grow his own wheat and veggies. He wont last 30 days.

May your own prophecy bestow upon you feather.


This is outside of the fact he keeps reviving the dead.

[zooworker]

Actually I'd say let him grow his own wheat and veggies. He wont last 30 days.

May your own prophecy bestow upon you feather.
He's about to be plucked if he isn't more careful with his post.

[BBVcasualposter]

Man there are no fresh post to type in and everyone I wanna give points to its say spread. I dont even remember when i gave u points last and its making me spread b4 you also.

Maybe i should just go to bed

[HelloItsMeMOM]

Hey, I really enjoyed the old thread. Sorry I missed it the first time :D

So .... did that wall ever get built, or not?

MOM

[BBVcasualposter]

since this thread is semi rehashed. I will ask........

didnt we as a country for years ask for the Great wall of china to come down?

now we want our own..........hmm, hypocracy

[rk237]

since this thread is semi rehashed. I will ask........

didnt we as a country for years ask for the Great wall of china to come down?

now we want our own..........hmm, hypocracy

This is news.
Do you mean the Berlin Wall? i.e. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

For as long as I can really remember, there has been a wall separating San Diego from Tijuana. I've never wandered out into the desert to see if it continues though.

[zooworker]

I want the wall on the Mexican Boarder, but that will never happen.

[BBVcasualposter]

This is news.
Do you mean the Berlin Wall? i.e. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

For as long as I can really remember, there has been a wall separating San Diego from Tijuana. I've never wandered out into the desert to see if it continues though.


old joke but was probably too obscure for most to know

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China_hoax

[OzMan]

Hey, I really enjoyed the old thread. Sorry I missed it the first time :D

So .... did that wall ever get built, or not?

MOM

Have you looked at the construction industry??

Who are they going to get to build the wall??;)

[OzMan]

I want the wall on the Mexican Boarder, but that will never happen.

Personally, I think I'd rather see a wall on the Mason-Dixon line....

and another on the CA-OR border;)

[zooworker]

Have you looked at the construction industry??

Who are they going to get to build the wall??;)
Mexicans illegals, cheap labor.........:rolleyes:

[BBVcasualposter]

Get Pink Floyd

[zooworker]

Get Pink Floyd
Another Brick In The Wall.... Guys are getting to old for that labor.

[OzMan]

Get Pink Floyd

Uh... dude.... they wanted to TEAR DOWN THE WALL..;)

[johnlow71]

Make The Wall Taller......jl 08

[Aphrodite]

Mexicans illegals, cheap labor.........:rolleyes:

So you want to use Mexican illegals to build a wall to keep the Mexican illegals out?

I see a flaw in your plan...

[igniteice]

Oh crap I forgot I made this thread.

[rk237]

So you want to use Mexican illegals to build a wall to keep the Mexican illegals out?

I see a flaw in your plan...

Not if they build it from the South side only...

[Koron]

Anyone watch Penn and Teller?

They built a portion of this wall the same way the government was building it, same standards and same specs.

They then had several teams of illegal immigrants attempt to cross it.

The fastest team did it in about 2 minutes if I remember correctly. The longest team took about 5 minutes. All used different methods.

Real great idea Bushy.

[zooworker]

Practical ideas:

http://bbsnews.net/bbsn_photos/topics/Timeless_Events/land_mine.jpg

http://www.7thfighter.com/quad.jpg

Remember - all it takes is one:



Other suggested defenses:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/triplemini2.jpg

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Iggy has the right idea!;)